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Reformation- conclusion

PROTESTANT REFORMATION CONCLUSION
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 Today let’s finish up the study on the Protestant Reformation. We left off on Luther disputing with the church over the doctrine of how a person becomes just in the sight of God- is it by works or faith?
 
Now- to the surprise of many Protestants [and Catholics!] both sides agreed that a person cannot be justified by works.
 
Yes- the Catholic Church rejected what was known as Pelagianism. In the early centuries of the church there was a Catholic priest- named Pelagius- who taught that people had the ability within themselves to obey Gods law and become saved that way.
 
He rejected the doctrine of original sin and another famous bishop- Saint Augustine- would refute Pelagius and teach salvation comes by the Grace of God.  The official Catholic position was to reject Pelagius and accept Augustine.
 
Okay- then where’s the difference?
 
The church council that spells it out is the Council of Trent [named after the Italian city where the council took place in the 1500’s- Trento].
 
This council is often referred to as the Counter Reformation. The church rejected the Protestant line- but also acknowledged the need for reform and made some changes.
 
This is the council where the church rejects Pelagianism- and also says the position of Luther [Justification by Faith ALONE] was flawed.
 
The church appealed to the New Testament letter of Saint James- where James uses an example from the life of Abraham [found in Genesis 22] where Abraham obeys God and is willing to sacrifice his son Isaac on an altar.
 
Of course this never happens- God was simply testing Abraham- but James says this act of obedience justified him in Gods sight.
 
James says ‘see how a man is justified by works- and not by faith ALONE’.
 
The argument from Rome was Faith played THE major role in justification- but was not sufficient by itself- there had to be righteous works eventually associated with it in order for God to say ‘you are just’ [saved].
 
Luther disagreed and said God justified Abraham before he had good works- we find this in Genesis 15. God says to Abraham ‘look- count all the stars- so shall your offspring be’ and Walla- the bible also says Abraham was justified in God’s eyes the moment he believed the promise.
 
Who’s right?
 
Actually they both are.
 
I have taught this a few times over the years- and it would take too much time to re-do right now.
 
But I believe James and Paul [the 2 who debate this in the bible] are simply looking at different aspects of salvation/justification.
 
Paul emphasized faith- and James showed us how true faith always has works with it.
 
When you read the statements that came out from the council of Trent- some of them do seem to indicate that both sides might have been talking past each other at some points.
 
In the heat of the day they were too quick to condemn the other side- without really trying hard to achieve unity [like politics!].
 
The 6th session of Trent was the one where the church dealt with justification [how we become saved in Gods sight].
 
Rome made a distinction between mortal and Venial sin in the council- the church said that Baptism is the INSTRUMENTAL CAUSE of justification. Yet faith is the Root- Foundation and Initial act that justifies.
 
Rome also taught that Mortal sin kills the grace in the soul that brings justification- and when a person commits a mortal sin- they need the ‘2nd plank of justification’ in order to be brought back into a state of Grace.
 
This 2nd Plank is the Sacrament of Penance [confession]. Catholic Moral Theologians use an example to show the difference between Mortal and Venial sin.
 
Drinking- if you take a drink [alcohol] not a sin.  If you get tipsy- Venial- and if you get flat drunk- mortal.
 
This is a true teaching by the way- not making this up.
 
Catholic scholars are not in total agreement on all the Mortal/Venial sins.
 
Some teach that missing Mass on Sunday is a Mortal sin.
 
I just threw this in to show you the debates that take place.
 
The teachings from Trent are referred to as Tridentine.
 
The Protestants [early on] rejected the belief that a person can lose Gods grace once he has it- later on the Protestants would divide- severely- over this teaching- Predestination and the Perseverance of the Saints.
 
But early on all the major Reformers did indeed teach this.
 
Luther believed in the doctrine of Predestination just as much- if not more- than John Calvin.
 
But sometimes in these history shows they get this wrong and say Luther and Calvin disagreed on it- that’s a common mistake that you hear every so often.
 
 
Luther actually wrote a book dedicated to the subject [The Bondage of the Will] Calvin never wrote a book solely on the subject.
 
Okay- as we end this brief study of the Protestant Reformation- you could also call it a primer on Catholic doctrine [short one].
 
Why is it important that we study this?
 
In John chapter 17 Jesus said that he desired unity for all of Gods people- and many of these divisions- which date back 500 years- are commonly misunderstood on both sides.
 
It is common in our day to run across an ex Catholic who might say ‘you know- I left the church because I don’t believe I need to confess to a priest’ or ‘the Catholic church teaches you are saved by works’.
 
The original Reformers did not have a problem with confession- the Lutherans carried the practice over into their communion.
 
And like I just showed you- the Catholic church rejected the doctrine of being saved ‘by works’ [Pelagianism] and simply emphasized the teaching found in the bible- the book of James- and focused more on James than Paul [who the protestants focus on].
 
So yes- there are still differences- but if we are not informed- then it makes it harder to strive for unity- and at the end of the day God does desire unity for all his people.
 
The other day I quoted the great Civil rights leader- MLK. In one of his famous speeches that’s played when we celebrate his life- you hear Martin say that not only was he seeking unity among the races- but also in the church.
 
He said he wanted to see Catholics and Protestants- as well as Blacks and Whites- sit down together- he referred to us all as Gods kids.
 
I think we should strive to achieve the desire of Martin- and Jesus.
 
Amen.
 
 
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